<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments for Clif Guy all the time</title>
	<atom:link href="http://clifguy.com/comments/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://clifguy.com</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:08:51 -0600</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.1</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>Comment on Silverlight? by Seth Deubner</title>
		<link>http://clifguy.com/2007/05/01/silverlight/#comment-14126</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Deubner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://clifg.blogs.cor.org/2007/05/01/silverlight/#comment-14126</guid>
		<description>Hi, I came across this post while looking for help with fixing Microsoft Silverlight. I&#039;ve recently changed internet browser from Opera to Microsoft Internet Explorer 5. Now I seem to have a issue with loading websites that have Microsoft Silverlight. Everytime I browse site that requires Microsoft Silverlight, my browser freezes and I get a &quot;npctrl.dll&quot; error. I cannot seem to find out how to fix the problem. Any help getting Microsoft Silverlight to function is very appreciated! Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I came across this post while looking for help with fixing Microsoft Silverlight. I&#8217;ve recently changed internet browser from Opera to Microsoft Internet Explorer 5. Now I seem to have a issue with loading websites that have Microsoft Silverlight. Everytime I browse site that requires Microsoft Silverlight, my browser freezes and I get a &#8220;npctrl.dll&#8221; error. I cannot seem to find out how to fix the problem. Any help getting Microsoft Silverlight to function is very appreciated! Thanks</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Reaction to Shane Hipps by Will England</title>
		<link>http://clifguy.com/2009/03/04/635/#comment-9107</link>
		<dc:creator>Will England</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://clifguy.com/?p=635#comment-9107</guid>
		<description>I don&#039;t know a lot about religion or the history of Christianity - I&#039;m just starting this journey.  But his comments noting that a Christian Community should have:
&quot;1) shared history; 2) permanence; 3) proximity; and 4) a shared imagination of the future.&quot;

Are the very definition of most Internet communities I&#039;ve had the privilege of being a member of, or leading.  Over time we develop a shared history; leadership, technology etc. changes and we become permanent; proximity is generated through open communication and occasional regional or national gatherings; and the internet communities have some of the strongest visions for the future.

I feel an online church will build more of a community and encourage more people to learn about Christianity.

Thank you for your service and your post!

Will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know a lot about religion or the history of Christianity &#8211; I&#8217;m just starting this journey.  But his comments noting that a Christian Community should have:<br />
&#8220;1) shared history; 2) permanence; 3) proximity; and 4) a shared imagination of the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are the very definition of most Internet communities I&#8217;ve had the privilege of being a member of, or leading.  Over time we develop a shared history; leadership, technology etc. changes and we become permanent; proximity is generated through open communication and occasional regional or national gatherings; and the internet communities have some of the strongest visions for the future.</p>
<p>I feel an online church will build more of a community and encourage more people to learn about Christianity.</p>
<p>Thank you for your service and your post!</p>
<p>Will</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Worst? Buy by Best Buy + Microsoft = Linux Poo&#160;&#124;&#160;Hostmedic &#8211; Emergency Medicine for Hosting &#38; Server Admins</title>
		<link>http://clifguy.com/2008/10/30/worst-buy/#comment-8707</link>
		<dc:creator>Best Buy + Microsoft = Linux Poo&#160;&#124;&#160;Hostmedic &#8211; Emergency Medicine for Hosting &#38; Server Admins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://clifguy.com/?p=610#comment-8707</guid>
		<description>[...] This reminds me about Clif Guy&#8217;s Best rather Worst Buy Experience. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This reminds me about Clif Guy&#8217;s Best rather Worst Buy Experience. [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Church IT Blogroll by David Drinnon</title>
		<link>http://clifguy.com/2007/04/28/church-it-blogroll/#comment-7823</link>
		<dc:creator>David Drinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://clifg.blogs.cor.org/2007/04/28/church-it-blogroll/#comment-7823</guid>
		<description>Clif,

I am having trouble with embedding the blog roll into Wordpress. I publish the page and nothing shows up. Do you have any ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clif,</p>
<p>I am having trouble with embedding the blog roll into Wordpress. I publish the page and nothing shows up. Do you have any ideas?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Caption contest by Jim Edwards</title>
		<link>http://clifguy.com/2009/04/20/caption-contest/#comment-5745</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://clifguy.com/?p=662#comment-5745</guid>
		<description>I love the two plastic chair photos... &quot;broken by use&quot; demonstrating that is our act of following christ and being used for his glory for his purposes that breaks us of our earthly bonds and desires.  Although we often would look at this chair and say it is beat up, God looks at it and says it was well used by him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the two plastic chair photos&#8230; &#8220;broken by use&#8221; demonstrating that is our act of following christ and being used for his glory for his purposes that breaks us of our earthly bonds and desires.  Although we often would look at this chair and say it is beat up, God looks at it and says it was well used by him.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Caption contest by Joann Guy</title>
		<link>http://clifguy.com/2009/04/20/caption-contest/#comment-5729</link>
		<dc:creator>Joann Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://clifguy.com/?p=662#comment-5729</guid>
		<description>dandelion: Lilies of the field
chair: Invitation to Sabbath
broken (chair leg?)  Unfirm foundation
cross against spring sky:  New Life</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dandelion: Lilies of the field<br />
chair: Invitation to Sabbath<br />
broken (chair leg?)  Unfirm foundation<br />
cross against spring sky:  New Life</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Caption contest by Michael McHarg</title>
		<link>http://clifguy.com/2009/04/20/caption-contest/#comment-5715</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael McHarg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://clifguy.com/?p=662#comment-5715</guid>
		<description>Trees-  &quot;intertwined&quot;
Chair- &quot;host / hostess&quot;  &quot;Hospitality&quot;  &quot;Availability&quot;  &quot;Conversation waiting to happen&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trees-  &#8220;intertwined&#8221;<br />
Chair- &#8220;host / hostess&#8221;  &#8220;Hospitality&#8221;  &#8220;Availability&#8221;  &#8220;Conversation waiting to happen&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Reaction to Shane Hipps by Chuck Russell</title>
		<link>http://clifguy.com/2009/03/04/635/#comment-5641</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://clifguy.com/?p=635#comment-5641</guid>
		<description>To piggyback off of Christine&#039;s comments, I think the deeper question is can we be in authentic human relationships which are primarily developed and fostered online, and which maintain their primary relational interaction in a virtual environment.  This is not so much a question of the authenticity of &quot;Online Church&quot; as it is a question of the beneficial or harmful effects of ongoing virtual &quot;relationships&quot;.  I would argue that the lack of physicality significantly transforms the nature of communication which happens especially between individuals who have not previously encountered one another physically.  This can have, obviously, positive and negative benefits - however on the whole I typically believe the predominant effect is negative.  Disembodied communication is simply not authentic communication.  One need only consult the most basic of communications texts to know that human interaction is primarily not verbal (I.E. the content of the words we speak), instead it overwhelmingly influenced by non verbal communications.  Whether it is a sense of trust, the ability to tell truth from falsity, or the ability to effectively understand the entirity of the communicators message - Disembodied communication fails on almost all counts.

Ok as for the Incarnation we must ask ourselves why is it that God in his infinite wisdom condescended to take on human flesh in the first place.  Perhaps it was because the effects of disembodied communication strategies employed in the Law and the Prophets had produced less than perfect results, and thus the New covenant demanded the real presence of Christ.  I think this is at least plausible.  If this is the case, its is not difficult to see the issues that could develop as a result of disembodied community.  

Finally, and I don&#039;t know how this fits, but I think it is important to understand what it meant that the early church rejected the Gnostic movement which of course, had as a major theological premise, that the Body was at least unimportant and unhelpful, and at worst evil itself.  In refuting the Gnostics writters, including the author of the Johanine Epistles, were careful to stress the importance of physicality in the understanding of Christ himself.  Like I said, I&#039;m not sure how this connects exactly but certainly its something to think about.  

At the end of the day I believe that the Internet can be a tool to transmit theological content, training, and information.  I do not think it can ever be truly effective at building Christian Community outside of at least a semi regular physical meeting.  I believe this less as a point of theological contention, as a realization that disembodied &quot;relationships&quot; are almost never authentic and effective relationships, and in fact in many cases are more destructive than helpful.  To reduce it to an oft quoted retort &quot;Long Distance Relationships Never Work&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To piggyback off of Christine&#8217;s comments, I think the deeper question is can we be in authentic human relationships which are primarily developed and fostered online, and which maintain their primary relational interaction in a virtual environment.  This is not so much a question of the authenticity of &#8220;Online Church&#8221; as it is a question of the beneficial or harmful effects of ongoing virtual &#8220;relationships&#8221;.  I would argue that the lack of physicality significantly transforms the nature of communication which happens especially between individuals who have not previously encountered one another physically.  This can have, obviously, positive and negative benefits &#8211; however on the whole I typically believe the predominant effect is negative.  Disembodied communication is simply not authentic communication.  One need only consult the most basic of communications texts to know that human interaction is primarily not verbal (I.E. the content of the words we speak), instead it overwhelmingly influenced by non verbal communications.  Whether it is a sense of trust, the ability to tell truth from falsity, or the ability to effectively understand the entirity of the communicators message &#8211; Disembodied communication fails on almost all counts.</p>
<p>Ok as for the Incarnation we must ask ourselves why is it that God in his infinite wisdom condescended to take on human flesh in the first place.  Perhaps it was because the effects of disembodied communication strategies employed in the Law and the Prophets had produced less than perfect results, and thus the New covenant demanded the real presence of Christ.  I think this is at least plausible.  If this is the case, its is not difficult to see the issues that could develop as a result of disembodied community.  </p>
<p>Finally, and I don&#8217;t know how this fits, but I think it is important to understand what it meant that the early church rejected the Gnostic movement which of course, had as a major theological premise, that the Body was at least unimportant and unhelpful, and at worst evil itself.  In refuting the Gnostics writters, including the author of the Johanine Epistles, were careful to stress the importance of physicality in the understanding of Christ himself.  Like I said, I&#8217;m not sure how this connects exactly but certainly its something to think about.  </p>
<p>At the end of the day I believe that the Internet can be a tool to transmit theological content, training, and information.  I do not think it can ever be truly effective at building Christian Community outside of at least a semi regular physical meeting.  I believe this less as a point of theological contention, as a realization that disembodied &#8220;relationships&#8221; are almost never authentic and effective relationships, and in fact in many cases are more destructive than helpful.  To reduce it to an oft quoted retort &#8220;Long Distance Relationships Never Work&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Reaction to Shane Hipps by Nick Charalambous</title>
		<link>http://clifguy.com/2009/03/04/635/#comment-5640</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Charalambous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://clifguy.com/?p=635#comment-5640</guid>
		<description>Great challenges Clif. I don&#039;t like to tout my own writing in other people&#039;s comments, but I do think that you might find this post I wrote on my blog interesting as a sidelight on this discussion.

http://ipiphanist.wordpress.com/2008/12/23/does-god-value-physical-presence-like-we-do/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great challenges Clif. I don&#8217;t like to tout my own writing in other people&#8217;s comments, but I do think that you might find this post I wrote on my blog interesting as a sidelight on this discussion.</p>
<p><a href="http://ipiphanist.wordpress.com/2008/12/23/does-god-value-physical-presence-like-we-do/" rel="nofollow">http://ipiphanist.wordpress.com/2008/12/23/does-god-value-physical-presence-like-we-do/</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Reaction to Shane Hipps by Christine Hargrove</title>
		<link>http://clifguy.com/2009/03/04/635/#comment-5528</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine Hargrove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://clifguy.com/?p=635#comment-5528</guid>
		<description>The glaring thing I see about his definition is that the early Christians were incredibly apocalyptic.  They did NOT have a sense of permanence and were not engaged in constructing buildings to last for all time, as other religions were.  Additionally, if you look at the numbers, the vast majority of Christians were converts.  It doesn&#039;t sound like a big deal, but it truly is, because there&#039;s no &quot;shared history&quot; as a community when they come together.

I do agree that individual congregations did most of their interpersonal communications through talking.  Their options were that or find someone who could read and write, and given how close people lived, why not just go talk in person?  Letter-writing was reserved for distance.  

I do want to mention one other thing you wrote:  &quot;at some time in the past Christians have shared an understanding of community that is radically at odds with what happens when people interact online. &quot;  I think he is being nostalgic about the past, but at the same time there is a real danger in &quot;doing community&quot; online.  There are two major things:  first, that things online are easily misinterpreted, as people don&#039;t necessarily communicate clearly, and that the internet is often dominated by the squeakiest wheel.  Behavior that in real life would be unacceptable is allowed to flourish in part because those who are mainstream quickly fade into the woodworks with the first snarky comment.  It would be useful to have a proactive strategy against that, whether it be involved mods or published rules.  

But I think it&#039;s worth the effort!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The glaring thing I see about his definition is that the early Christians were incredibly apocalyptic.  They did NOT have a sense of permanence and were not engaged in constructing buildings to last for all time, as other religions were.  Additionally, if you look at the numbers, the vast majority of Christians were converts.  It doesn&#8217;t sound like a big deal, but it truly is, because there&#8217;s no &#8220;shared history&#8221; as a community when they come together.</p>
<p>I do agree that individual congregations did most of their interpersonal communications through talking.  Their options were that or find someone who could read and write, and given how close people lived, why not just go talk in person?  Letter-writing was reserved for distance.  </p>
<p>I do want to mention one other thing you wrote:  &#8220;at some time in the past Christians have shared an understanding of community that is radically at odds with what happens when people interact online. &#8221;  I think he is being nostalgic about the past, but at the same time there is a real danger in &#8220;doing community&#8221; online.  There are two major things:  first, that things online are easily misinterpreted, as people don&#8217;t necessarily communicate clearly, and that the internet is often dominated by the squeakiest wheel.  Behavior that in real life would be unacceptable is allowed to flourish in part because those who are mainstream quickly fade into the woodworks with the first snarky comment.  It would be useful to have a proactive strategy against that, whether it be involved mods or published rules.  </p>
<p>But I think it&#8217;s worth the effort!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
